How did you survive the innumerable controversies dotting your career—from arresting a lawyer to your daughter's admission to a medical college? I don't back down from decisions that I think are legally, morally and ethically right. The moral strength of the decision gives me courage. Why did you choose a career in police? I found the police force the strongest arm of the government to correct, to produce good results. As a young girl, I could see policemen not performing. But I knew that if they would perform, it would have tremendous results. For me policing is not punitive. It always stood for social welfare. But tough welfare. Where I could command welfare, I could demand welfare, and I could produce welfare. And, if necessary, I could produce welfare punitively. Policing is not sending people to prison. Policing is to show them the route to correction, maybe through the prison. How did your peers in the IPS take the inclusion of a woman in their ranks? I had no time to observe how people were feeling. I came from a sports background where often I was the only girl traveling with a batch of 20 boys. You are known for your crusade to clean up a corrupt system. What makes you take up such an onerous responsibility? I'm not here to clean up the world. I'm here to do my best for the day and extend my goals. But if I start thinking I've only done my little bit at the end of the day and the rest of the world remains unclean, I think I'm being unrealistic. I must do the job in hand which I'm authorized to do. And if I could do that well, that'll be making a difference. Can a person live without being corrupt? If your needs are minimum and you are confident of meeting your basic needs, what are you afraid of? All you need is clean living—clean and simple food, clean clothes and a clean shelter. And if you are happy and content in that, then all corrupt practices become petty. Most people bribe to get things done, like getting a telephone line repaired or buying a train ticket. Can such corruption be done away with? Unfortunately, I don't come into that category because I have not suffered that. But within my own situation, I had other temptations, which have been kept away. |
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the training of a policeman brutalize him? Training is about understanding, hard work and mental toughness. But within all this, you can keep a sensitive heart. But police officials do become insensitive... It's too late in the day for them. They have offered themselves to become habituated with their circumstances. And sometimes circumstances have compelled them to do so. Brutality, like a drug, is also addictive. Can there be rehabilitation in that as well? It is possible. But it's difficult. If I were to change people habituated to insensitive ways of policing, I would ask them to take a minimum of three years' leave. And I'll send them back to college. That's the only way I can sensitize them. Have you ever used third degree means to break a criminal? Third degree is an act done with an element of sadism. I've never used third degree as a sadist. But I've been tough. Policemen have to give two images—they mean business and they will be tough till you cooperate. It need not be physical torture. But it can lead to much mental agony. And causing mental agony to a criminal is not third degree. That's the price he's paying for having committed a crime. What creates crime—human failing, lack of faith in self, socio-economic factors or simply evil? Crime is essentially human failing taking different forms. Therefore, I don't look at a person as a sinner. I look at the sin per se. And I know there are probable reasons that can be corrected if related environmental factors and mindsets are treated. That's how vipassana became a cornerstone. A correct mindset is essential for the person to introspect, to realize that he didn't do the right thing. As a mentally tough person, do you feel pity or do you commiserate with weakness? I feel both. I feel anger when I know that the person is not as helpless as he claims to be. But when I know that he is a victim of circumstances, I commiserate with his plight. |
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Does man break easily or does he have it in him to fight
odds?
Depends on how he has brought himself up. He can either be fragile or tough… But, innately… There is nothing like an inexperienced, environmentally withdrawn and non-attitudinal person. Each person has a set of attitudes that he has imbibed from his environment, experience and education. We are all the time learning and unlearning. And that's how our reflexes are molded. Before you introduced vipassana in Tihar, were you yourself into this meditation? I wasn't involved in vipassana as a technique. But I was always an observer of myself. I am basically two persons within. I read myself, talk to myself, study and analyze myself. I reprimand myself and I reward myself. Is a detached point of view essential for a person? Absolutely. It's very important for a person to respect one's own self. The more I respect myself, the more motivated I become. In fact, my biggest controller and pathfinder is myself. And the biggest cause of drifting is also myself. I make my own choices—right or wrong. On your first day at Tihar, you asked the inmates whether they prayed. Why? Prayer is something that remains internally with me. If I have done good, I thank the Almighty and my circumstances. If I face a challenge and don't have the answer, I pray. When I asked the prisoners whether they pray, I was basically asking them whether they were seeking forgiveness and help. How do you rate your spiritual growth over the years? The more pain, the more agony, the more dirt I see, the more my sensitivity grows. And this sensitivity is nothing but spirituality. I've also become more carefree. My needs are, over a period, getting minimized. I think that's a growing up process. Do you have a guru? I am not any particular person's pupil. Books are my teacher, there are teachers I respect in the Ramakrishna Mission, Guru (S.N.) Goenka is a great teacher. Your belief in God—does it have a particular form? My temple has all religions in it. It is the power of spirituality that I worship, not the form. I don't have any religion as such. |
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